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25 or 6 to 4

1970 single by Chicago


1970 single by Chicago

FieldValue
name25 or 6 to 4
cover25 or 6 to 4.jpg
typesingle
artistChicago
albumChicago
B-sideWhere Do We Go from Here
releasedJune 12, 1970{{cite web
titleChicago — "25 Or 6 To 4"
urlhttps://dutchcharts.nl/showitem.asp?interpret=Chicago&titel=25+Or+6+To+4&cat=s
websitedutchcharts.nl
access-date2025-12-17
recordedAugust 1969
genre*Hard rock
length* (album version)
labelColumbia
writerRobert Lamm
producerJames William Guercio
prev_titleMake Me Smile
prev_year1970
next_titleDoes Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?
next_year1970
misc{{Audio sample
typesingle
fileChicago - 25 or 6 to 4.ogg

| B-side = Where Do We Go from Here |access-date=2025-12-17

  • jazz rock
  • 2:52 (single version)

"25 or 6 to 4" is a song written by American musician Robert Lamm, one of the founding members of the band Chicago. It was recorded in August 1969 for their second album, Chicago, with Peter Cetera on lead vocals, and released as a single in June 1970.

Composition

In a 2013 interview, Robert Lamm said he composed "25 or 6 to 4" on a 12-string guitar with only 10 strings. According to Lamm, "It didn't have the two low Es." He wrote the lyrics in one day. The band first rehearsed the song at the Whisky a Go Go.

Lamm said the song is about trying to write a song in the middle of the night. The song's title is the time at which the song is set: 25 or 26 minutes before 4 a.m., phrased as, "twenty-five or [twenty-]six [minutes] to four [o’clock]," (i.e. 03:35 or 03:34). Because of the unique phrasing of the song's title, "25 or 6 to 4" has been interpreted to mean everything from a quantity of illicit drugs to the name of a famous person in code.

The song's opening guitar riff has been compared to chord progressions and riffs in other songs. In the opinion of writer Melissa Locker:

LA Weeklys music editor, Andy Hermann, names it "The Riff" and describes it as follows:

Hermann details the riff's similarity to the chord progression in Led Zeppelin's version of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" by Anne Bredon, which came out a year before "25 or 6 to 4", and the similarity of that chord progression to one in George Harrison's song "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", which came out even earlier. He labels "Brain Stew", released in 1996, as "derivative" by comparison to "25 or 6 to 4".

Original version

The original recording features an electric guitar solo using a wah-wah pedal by Chicago guitarist Terry Kath, and a lead vocal line in the Aeolian mode.

According to the recollections of producer James William Guercio and horn player Lee Loughnane, Cetera had to record the vocal while his jaw was still wired together after he had been attacked at a baseball game at Dodger Stadium on May 20, 1969. Guercio said he told Cetera, "I can't wait, we're gonna do this."

The album was released in January 1970 and the song was edited and released as a single in June (omitting the second verse and most of the guitar solo), climbing to number 4 on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart and number 7 on the UK Singles Chart. It was the band's first song to reach the top five in the US. It has been included in numerous Chicago compilation albums. In 2015, Dave Swanson, writing for Ultimate Classic Rock, listed the song as number one on his top ten list of Chicago songs. Classic Rock Review says the song is "one of the most indelible Chicago tunes". In 2019, Bobby Olivier and Andrew Unterberger, music critics for Billboard magazine, ranked the song number one on their list of "The 50 Best Chicago Songs". Guitar World rated "25 or 6 to 4" No. 22 for "greatest wah solos of all time."

Bans

The song was banned in Singapore in 1970 due to "alleged allusions to drugs"; the ban extended to later albums that included the song, such as Chicago 18. In 1993, the ban on this song was lifted, along with long-time bans on songs by other artists such as the Beatles, Bob Dylan and Creedence Clearwater Revival.

1986 and later versions

| A-side = Will You Still Love Me? | B-side = One More Day

  • jazz rock
  • James Pankow

An updated version of "25 or 6 to 4" was recorded for the 1986 album Chicago 18 with James Pankow listed as co-writer, and new band member Jason Scheff on lead vocals. It featured two verses instead of three, and the single reached number 48 on the US chart. This version was also used as the B-side for the band's next single in 1986, "Will You Still Love Me?"

Through the 2010s, "25 or 6 to 4" continued to be a staple in Chicago's live concert set list and in Peter Cetera's solo concert set list. In 2016, the group's former drummer Danny Seraphine reunited on stage with Chicago to perform "25 or 6 to 4" and two other songs at their induction ceremony for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Music video

The music video for the 1986 remake won an American Video Award, in the Best Cinematography category, for Bobby Byrne.

Personnel

  • Peter Cetera – lead vocals, bass
  • Terry Kath – guitars, backing vocals
  • Robert Lamm – acoustic piano, backing vocals
  • Danny Seraphine – drums
  • Jimmy Pankow – trombone
  • Lee Loughnane – trumpet
  • Walt Parazaider – tenor saxophone

Chart performance

Weekly charts

;Original version

Chart (1969–1970)Peak
positionAustraliaFrance (IFOP)Germany (Chartsurfer)US *Cash Box Top 100*
12
3
22
6

;1986 re-recording

Chart (1986)Peak
positionUS *Billboard Hot 100*US *Cash Box Top 100*
48
46

Year-end charts

Chart (1970)RankAustraliaCanadaNetherlandsUS *Billboard Hot 100*
74
29
98
61

Covers and parodies

The song has been covered by various artists, including Straitjacket, Local H, Intruder, Bruce Foxton, The Moog Cookbook, Earth, Wind & Fire, Paul Gilbert, Pacifika, Mötley Crüe lead singer Vince Neil, Umphrey's McGee, Nick Ingman, and as an instrumental on the Dave Koz collaboration album Summer Horns. Constantine Maroulis released his version of the song as a single in 2011.

Influence

Jason Newsted, former bassist of Metallica, said that this song was the first rock or metal riff he ever learned to play. Paul Gilbert, former guitarist of Racer X and Mr. Big, said that a "really primitive version" of "25 or 6 to 4" was one of the first songs he taught himself to play on the guitar, using one string.

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